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 Post subject: Re: tyre choices ????
 Post Posted: Sat Jun 19, 2010 2:01 pm 
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Sorry if this is a stupid question but, what's the acceptable load/speed ratings. Currently got 93Y - notice on the Camskill link that they all seem to be 92Y, I take it that is fine as is a 93W / 92W ??

Going to need some rubber soon and having read this will definately be going down the 225/40/18 road - the choice is HUGE compared to the 215/45/18 I've got on.

I really need to google what it all means........... :smash:

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 Post subject: Re: tyre choices ????
 Post Posted: Sat Jun 19, 2010 2:48 pm 
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If you can find a 225/40/18 with at least 93Y, then that's fine providing your insurance co. is happy. They even accept less than 93Y but check first. I know what you mean about choice and price but 225/45/18 is nowhere near as restrictive and pricey like 215/45/18 and you can get your correct load and speed rating.


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 Post subject: Re: tyre choices ????
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Well, I obviously started off with the OEM Bridgestone RE050A 215/45/18 and then swapped to 225/45/18 Falken 452 and have just swapped those in favour of Hankook V12 EVO 225/40/18 so I think I'm qualified to comment!

The Falkens are decent tyres for the money when the weather is warm - when it gets down to single figures they get very hard and lose grip. I got 12,000 miles out of mine the same as the OEM BS ones but I fit new tyres when i get down to 3mm all round. When I fitted the 225/45 size I thought they were a definite improvement on the OEM size, the only downside being they reduced steering feel and turn-in sharpness noticeably. So this time round I decided to try 225/40/18. The first issue was the load rating - the highest you can get with 225/40 is 92 and OEM for a 6 MPS is 93. First stop Mazda - they reckoned 225/40 with 92 LI would be fine as it's a reduction of only 30kgs each tyre and so still cumulatively way over the max gross vehicle weight. They did recommend only fitting XL rated tyres though as per OEM. Next stop insurance - a quick chat with one of Iggy Pop's advisors and they agreed 225/40/18 92Y XL was OK, they wouldn't charge any extra and they would put it in writing.

So, I could now fit 225/40 which pleased me for two reasons. Firstly they are much cheaper - as an example a 225/45/18 Michelin PS3 is typically £200 mail order and a virtually identical 225/40/18 Michelin PS3 is £130. Secondly it opens up a huge choice of tyre including Goodyear F1 etc, etc.

I was very tempted to stick some F1 asymetrics or PS3 on but reading a load of reviews and magazine tyre tests I was surprised to see Hankooks regularly beating the premium brands and 225/40/18 92Y XL was £89.00 a corner at Camskills so I went for it.

The results have been surprising - ride on the 225/40 Hankooks is noticeably superior to either the 215/45 Bridgestones or the 225/45 Falkens. Road noise is significantly less as well. The slightly lazy steering that lets down the MPS 6 is also improved - turn-in is now sharp and accurate, it's easier to place on the apex and less prone to being knocked off line by bumps. None of the downsides I expected with a reduction to 40 series tyres has actually been realised, they are better in every way.

I shall be sticking with 225/40/18 92Y XL from now on which is bit of a surprise as I thought the 225/45/18 would be better. :D


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Hi, just something to add on the tyre sizes last year i was in the same boat looking for tyres , it was at the time when mazda were replacing my wheels i just happened to ask what there opinions were on changing the tyre size to 225 40 18 they said that by doing this is makes the car non standard and if anything were to go wrong with the drivetrain the warrenty would be affected so as they were fitting the tyres i decided to play it safe and go for the 215 's lucky as 5 months later i needed a new gearbox phew !! :thumbs:


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I'm tempted by michellin ps2 or the new uniroyal rainsport 3's.The ps2's have got some really good reviews :)

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Yokohama Parada specII's, end of.

Just bought my 2nd set, they only get you about 9-10k but the stick like glue, got bad reviews in the wet, but dont believe everything you read in the press, i never had any probs in the wet but i dont really push it when its raining.
They vastly improve turn in and cut down on the 6's understeer hugely only understeering under extreme on the limit cornering.
I have had all sorts of performance cars in the last couple of years from Evos to Imprezas, all fitted with different tyres from lots of manufacturers and these are the best by a country mile.


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OnTheOverrun wrote:
Well, I obviously started off with the OEM Bridgestone RE050A 215/45/18 and then swapped to 225/45/18 Falken 452 and have just swapped those in favour of Hankook V12 EVO 225/40/18 so I think I'm qualified to comment!

The Falkens are decent tyres for the money when the weather is warm - when it gets down to single figures they get very hard and lose grip. I got 12,000 miles out of mine the same as the OEM BS ones but I fit new tyres when i get down to 3mm all round. When I fitted the 225/45 size I thought they were a definite improvement on the OEM size, the only downside being they reduced steering feel and turn-in sharpness noticeably. So this time round I decided to try 225/40/18. The first issue was the load rating - the highest you can get with 225/40 is 92 and OEM for a 6 MPS is 93. First stop Mazda - they reckoned 225/40 with 92 LI would be fine as it's a reduction of only 30kgs each tyre and so still cumulatively way over the max gross vehicle weight. They did recommend only fitting XL rated tyres though as per OEM. Next stop insurance - a quick chat with one of Iggy Pop's advisors and they agreed 225/40/18 92Y XL was OK, they wouldn't charge any extra and they would put it in writing.

So, I could now fit 225/40 which pleased me for two reasons. Firstly they are much cheaper - as an example a 225/45/18 Michelin PS3 is typically £200 mail order and a virtually identical 225/40/18 Michelin PS3 is £130. Secondly it opens up a huge choice of tyre including Goodyear F1 etc, etc.

I was very tempted to stick some F1 asymetrics or PS3 on but reading a load of reviews and magazine tyre tests I was surprised to see Hankooks regularly beating the premium brands and 225/40/18 92Y XL was £89.00 a corner at Camskills so I went for it.

The results have been surprising - ride on the 225/40 Hankooks is noticeably superior to either the 215/45 Bridgestones or the 225/45 Falkens. Road noise is significantly less as well. The slightly lazy steering that lets down the MPS 6 is also improved - turn-in is now sharp and accurate, it's easier to place on the apex and less prone to being knocked off line by bumps. None of the downsides I expected with a reduction to 40 series tyres has actually been realised, they are better in every way.

I shall be sticking with 225/40/18 92Y XL from now on which is bit of a surprise as I thought the 225/45/18 would be better. :D



Brilliant mate - this has cleared up a lot of questions I had kicking around my head regarding tyre sizes and choices. :thumbs:
Will definately be going for 225/40/18 now and start reviewing rubber vs costs for the best combo. I'd better get a set with good wet handling since I don't exactly live in Monaco. :cry:
Hankooks and Yokohama Parada are the first to get a look at. :thumbs:


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 Post subject: Re: tyre choices ????
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not that ive used yokohama parada spec 2's on my mps , but i had a set on my old type r and i never much cared for them and really and dont think i would buy them again

thats the thing about tyre choice it really depends on the individual and there driving style

but this thread has come up this some interesting points and factors so cheers for the input people

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Just done a quick check at http://www.tyrereviews.co.uk and the Sessanta's get a higher rating than either the Hanook's, Prada's or Falken's.


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So after their TV station went kaput they moved into tyre making ? :lol:


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Top 3 are still

Dunlop SP Sport Maxx GT (Better in dry)
Goodyear Eagle F1 Ayso (Better across wet and dry)
Vredstein Ultrac Sessanta (better in wet)

You can get specialist winter tyres which will be top in rain, ice or snow, or fit Toyo 888s which are outstanding in the dry, but for every day driving in 'normal' condtions that range from sunny to a bit wet, the above are the best.

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fon wrote:
not that ive used yokohama parada spec 2's on my mps , but i had a set on my old type r and i never much cared for them and really and dont think i would buy them again

thats the thing about tyre choice it really depends on the individual and there driving style

but this thread has come up this some interesting points and factors so cheers for the input people


I would have thought that the type R's set up was quite stiff and turn in is very sharp on them out of the box, the MPS6 by comparison is not really sharp enough, with understeer being quite a problem, the paradas sort out these inadequacies very well and i think that the difference would be more noticeable than on the type R. At the end of the day its down to 2 things IMO, personal preferance, and what tyres suit the car, if 1 tyre made by 1 manufacturer was the best then they would all use them, i would have thought that manufacturers test various tyres from various makers till they find the right balance of wear, grip, feel, and road noise.


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fon wrote:
not that ive used yokohama parada spec 2's on my mps , but i had a set on my old type r and i never much cared for them and really and dont think i would buy them again

thats the thing about tyre choice it really depends on the individual and there driving style

but this thread has come up this some interesting points and factors so cheers for the input people


I would have thought that the type R's set up was quite stiff and turn in is very sharp on them out of the box, the MPS6 by comparison is not really sharp enough, with understeer being quite a problem, the paradas sort out these inadequacies very well and i think that the difference would be more noticeable than on the type R. At the end of the day its down to 2 things IMO, personal preferance, and what tyres suit the car, if 1 tyre made by 1 manufacturer was the best then they would all use them, i would have thought that manufacturers test various tyres from various makers till they find the right balance of wear, grip, feel, and road noise.


No they do a deal with whoever can supply them the cheapest :rolleyes: - unless you're talking Porsche / Ferrari etc..
You may get some performance models which opt out of the group discount structure (eg Megane R26R on Toyo 888s)

As for the type R vs MPS 6, the difference is the stiffer chassis and suspension on the type R, not the tyres. You won't change the handling balance by changing tyres, although you can improve ride, grip, steering response etc..

The Parada's are good tyres indeed, just not quite as good as the Vredsteins, so don't make the top 3! Although, on value for money, they are very good indeed.

Thing you have to remember as well is the best tyres vary depending on the size and application. For example, if you want the best 205/55/16 for a standard 6 then you would be looking at different tyre manufacturers and models, although the things you want the tyres to do are exactly the same.

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